Working with the AI Companies is a Losing Strategy

Anonymous, Assistant Professor (no tenure) from North America.

In response to Open AI’s October 6th release of hundreds of results, the Advisory Group on Mathematics and Artificial Intelligence (AGMAI) released a statement saying, “it is ultimately up to the mathematical community to assess the extent to which our recommendations were followed successfully.” By far the most important recommendation that AGMAI had made was for AI companies to stop “testing advanced mathematical problems on proprietary models that remain inaccessible to the broader scientific community.” They identify the obvious reasons for this: it concentrates control over a powerful means of production of mathematical results in the hands of whoever has access to the best models and the most compute, so essentially the AI companies and whoever they decide grant access to. While OpenAI has offered some conciliatory words and paltry financial resources, they explicitly said from the outset that they have no intention of listening to AGMAI on the core issue of testing open problems on internal models. Thus, I conclude that AGMAI’s recommendations were not followed in any substantive fashion, and that AI companies have no intention of changing this in the future. I’ll agree that it was worth a shot, but working with AI companies got us essentially nothing and now it’s time for a different approach. As a start, AGMAI should dissolve itself rather than continue to provide a veneer of legitimacy to OpenAI while OpenAI ignores their central recommendation.

Right now, mathematicians still have some influence because we have things the AI companies want: our data and the legitimacy of our mathematical institutions. The latter is why OpenAI bothered forming AGMAI in the first place. When we work with commercial AI to solve problems, we provide AI companies with valuable training data. In some cases, access to this data might even allow AI companies to solve these problems first using more powerful internal models and without properly crediting the work they built on: behavior that would be condemned as academic dishonesty if you or I did it. When we cite commercial AI services in our papers, we provide free advertising for AI companies. When we tell the media that OpenAI’s release of results is exciting and a big advance for mathematics, we legitimize their unethical research practices. The more we do these things, the more we strengthen the position of AI companies and weaken our own with respect to deciding the future of mathematics. We should stop and seriously ask ourselves if this is what we want to do.

A counterargument is that if we continue to work with AI companies, we can persuade them to adopt norms more aligned with those of the mathematical community. Beyond their behavior thus far, I find this unlikely because the AI companies and many of those associated with them have been quite forthcoming about their beliefs and vision for the future, and if I take them at their word, I can’t see things leading anywhere positive for the existing mathematical community. Many AI company employees (and some mathematicians) sincerely believe that what they are doing has a nonnegligible probability of literally killing everyone, yet they race ahead and implicitly believe themselves justified in making the choice to do so on behalf of humanity. OpenAI’s October 6th release reeks of the Silicon Valley “move fast and break things” ethos, where a private company acts recklessly and destructively to capture value for itself while leaving others to clean up the resulting messes. Also along these lines, recently released documents reveal that insiders at OpenAI believed they were acting unethically and in some cases illegally by scraping training data and using it for their own profit without asking consent from or providing compensation to the humans who produced the data, yet they continue to operate in this manner. Anthropic talks a big game about safety while privately shopping a toothless safety bill that would insulate them from regulation. Sam Altman uses the language of effective altruism to justify near-term harm for the vague promise of a future of material abundance, often eliding the fact that in this future AI companies would amass sweeping control over the means of production, in our context of mathematical results, but aspirationally of all economic value. Are these the people and institutions we want to decide the future of mathematics, let alone of society at large?

There might still be time. If we unite, organize, and exert our influence against the harmful practices of AI companies, we can defend our institutions and community. Imagine if we had all collectively responded to OpenAI’s October 6th release by rejecting the legitimacy of OpenAI’s unethical research practices rather than with shell-shocked chaos. Sure, the preprints they produced would still exist, but I believe this would have had a powerful effect. And maybe AI companies say they don’t need us (their ultimate goal either way) and that they will build their own mathematics. Then we should make them do so without mathematicians or mathematical institutions.

Note too, that opposing AI companies doesn’t mean we need to disavow AI. Many mathematicians have written thoughtfully, here and elsewhere, about how we can harness the potential of AI to advance our understanding of mathematics while ensuring a healthy future for our human communities. Tao and others have written about the need for us to build our own AI infrastructure in which we can ensure equitable access and proper attribution. We should make this a priority so that we are not dependent on the AI companies, and once we have achieved this, we can reap the rewards. However each of us feels about the use of AI in mathematics research personally, we now exist in a world in which AI can accelerate mathematical progress. Opposing AI companies is not about pretending the technology doesn’t exist or that it won’t have an impact. Rather, it is about recognizing that the survival of our institutions and communities depends on our political choices just as much as our mathematical and philosophical choices. As Tao recently stated, mathematics is now on a “war footing,” and if we choose poorly, we will lose the war.

I know firsthand that this is a difficult ask. For one, opposing the AI companies can feel hopeless because they are already so rich and powerful. They promote a narrative of inevitability and want us to feel this way, but we can at least find out for ourselves if it’s true rather than preemptively give up. Another challenge is that many of us have responded thus far in the ways we did because we sincerely love mathematics and discovery rather than out of any intention to aid the AI companies. When I hear a major problem in my field has been resolved, my first instincts are toward excitement and curiosity. I want to come together with colleagues to celebrate a milestone and unpack the new ideas, questions, and directions opened by the advance. Even though the October 6th release was hundreds of slop papers, there are almost certainly insights to be gleaned, and for some of us, to set this aside goes against our integrity as mathematicians and scientists. But right now, that is what we must do to survive. If we allow ourselves to become distracted by shiny new theorems and paltry donations while our institutions are captured and our future generations live in fear for their livelihoods, then the future of mathematics will be written by AI companies rather than mathematicians.


Received October 26.

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10 responses to “Working with the AI Companies is a Losing Strategy”

  1. Some starting PhD student Avatar
    Some starting PhD student

    Thank you for stating this!

    I hate that the “AI Statement” in papers has become more of an advertisement for AI companies. I don’t even see what its point is nowadays.

    I saw some mathematics paper which had a long footnote going along the lines of “Advertising AI companies is harmful and they’ve proven to be malicious, so I will not disclose which models I’ve used in this paper, but I can share that on private inquiries”.

  2. Una Avatar
    Una

    You are right.

    We should never let the AI companies define the priority of which problems should be solved.

    Following their agenda is a disaster for the math community!

  3. anonymous Avatar
    anonymous

    Very well put!

  4. Nomen Avatar
    Nomen

    What data? It is too late to ban LLMs from accessing Arxiv, and it is wishful thinking that future or even current frontier LLMs will depend on new papers produced by humans in the slow way to solve maths problems.

    As for legitimacy of our mathematical institutions, recall that for better or worse, journals are essentially the only thing that could grant legitimacy in our current institution. I do not think ban AI companies from journals would be of any use — they have not submitted one paper yet!

  5. John Mitchell Avatar
    John Mitchell

    “the October 6th release was hundreds of slop papers”

    As someone outside the academic mathematics community (*), I’d like to know the community’s verdict on those papers (if it’s had time to formulate one) . Are most of them valid, or do most of them contain serious errors (“slop”)?

    I assume that the dramatic response from the mathematics community indicates that at least some of the papers contain startling results that have been confirmed by human experts. Is that true?

    I recently printed out two of the papers (**) to take a look, but I don’t know if I’ll have the wherewithal to determine whether they’re valid or gibberish.

    Thanks to anyone who wishes to provide more information.

    (*) I started there, eventually moved elsewhere, and am now retired.

    (**) “A C1 Counterexample to the Entropy Conjecture” (a conjecture of M. Shub), and “Positive scalar curvature forces rational inessentiality” (related to work of M. Gromov)

    1. Nomen Avatar
      Nomen

      “Slop” as in “horrible exposition”, not “serious errors”. It might be better to view these manuscripts as raw data instead of journal papers, I think the best way to read them is via interaction with an LLM.

    2. Nicolas Rougerie Avatar
      Nicolas Rougerie

      A priori “slop” means that the papers are very hard to understand, not that they are wrong. The safe guess is that the papers with lean certificates are essentially correct (the main result is, but the intermediate steps might differ from the natural language proof). What largel remains to be done are expositions humans could understand more easily.

  6. Jay Avatar
    Jay

    Mathematicians who don’t work with AI companies but use AI will get buckmastered.

    1. Una Avatar
      Una

      Then, those should stay away from “big conjectures”.

  7. Sirawit Pongnakintr Avatar
    Sirawit Pongnakintr

    I appreciate this post even though I’m probably (loudly) disagreeing with the central demand. I’d like to say that this is one (of the very few) voices out there against AI that doesn’t look “biased” or antagonizing AI companies a priori. The reasons to oppose AI companies are laid out clearly (although I disagree with them).

    My opinion is of great support to the Open Math Model, however I also support OpenAI as well (a bit less than SAIR’s Open Math Model, but I still support OpenAI, not opposing it). You said that

    They identify the obvious reasons for this: it concentrates control over a powerful means of production of mathematical results in the hands of whoever has access to the best models and the most compute, so essentially the AI companies and whoever they decide grant access to.

    My opinion is still not the communistic revolutionary opinion, but more like a socialistic one: since they’ve made a strong contribution to mathematics and gained too much control over the means of production of mathematical results, my position is that

    1. OpenAI should release their new internal model as soon as possible, preferably immediately, so that everyone will have access to it (although with a subscription price, which I think it’s already relatively cheap). You may think this is still proprietary and that they can raise the price anytime they want, and this is fair. My position is to deploy a community-led distillation project to exploit the intelligence power of the huge model into open-weight models.
    2. The negative externalities were obvious and have created enough harm to the mathematical community, therefore we must establish a kind of AI tax, society-wide. The usual economic solutions to this negative externality problem is the Coasean negotiation and the Pigouvian tax. We should implement these.
    3. However, mathematicians may or may not continue to cooperate with the AI labs, and I oppose the act of “trying to convince other mathematicians to not cooperate with AI labs”. Instead of pushing the blame into mathematicians who cooperate with the labs and to the labs pushing their buttons, why don’t we push the blame into the weakness of the regulations and the law? It sounds unreasonable to me to demand rich people to donate or to actively “care” for the poor. It’s not going to happen and this is normal. Protesting is also not a good solution (you’re just turning people like me into your enemies). Just tax the big labs! My proposal is that 90% of the profit of AI companies should be redistributed into the society.
    4. My opinion is against AGMAI. I think OpenAI should continue to try solving hard mathematical problems. Other labs should participate in this race as well! In fact, general people should also participate in this race, but maybe not with a strong stake (e.g. I’ve started a small RL experiment and I’m also planning to fine-tune open-weight models with LoRA and RLVR). What a good time to be alive that mathematical progress is rapidly accelerating at a superhuman pace! I think everyone should be welcomed in “moving fast and breaking things”. It is sad to see mathematicians trying to stop other people from progressing.

    In the end, I don’t think progress is going to un-progress itself in any way. You can oppose the AI labs however you want, but the nice thing of mathematics is that it’s free. Even if you burn a whole library, there’s nothing preventing people inside OpenAI to rediscover Grothendieck’s schemes and to reprove the Weil conjectures. At this point it’s not going to work, and I’d even argue that OpenAI can reconstruct all previous humanity’s mathematics within its own capacity even if you block all public access to mathematics. Furthermore, suppose you all win, and OpenAI is halted. There’s nothing stopping Anthropic from progressing. Suppose you ban all labs, there’s nothing stopping some hidden distributed computing network of people from progressing. It’s not really productive to stop AI labs, regardless of how you feel about the October 6 drop.

    I’m also somehow surprised that this has already passed the one-month mark and OpenAI hasn’t dropped any new mathematics (apart from the very few recent results that I haven’t really caught up). I even think at this point, due to the community’s wide condemnation, even if OpenAI has solved the Hodge conjecture they wouldn’t want to release it anymore. They’ll just solve all millennium prize problems and keep the results secret, since the community doesn’t welcome it. This is sad, and it shifted my preference towards joining OpenAI even higher than doing a PhD. Maybe the mathematics knowledge I really sought for is in OpenAI, not in the PhD. Especially if the professors try to avoid AI this much, maybe it’s my fault that I believed the professors will give me knowledge, when OpenAI clearly gave me a lot of knowledge (just from the October 6 drop) and the professors are trying to stop this activity from happening again.

    (At this point I’m even willing to work for OpenAI for free, subject to the condition that they give me access to the new internal model; a lot of mathematical questions and theories are there and maybe an AI chatbot is kinder and is more willing to teach me than the professors banning AI and avoiding AI)

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