Who will become the new mathematicians of Math 2.0?

Anonymous, PhD student

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To the mathematicians shaping the future of our profession,

I am mathematics PhD student. Up until recently, I fully intended to pursue a career in academic research. I deeply love mathematics, and I entered graduate school because of this. However I have made the decision to leave academia once I finish my doctorate and I am heartbroken; I would like to explain why.

This decision is not because of job security, nor is it because AI can do better mathematics than I ever could. Rather, I am becoming increasingly convinced that this profession is morphing into something unrecognizable, something alien, something I did not sign up for. OpenAI’s paper dump on October 6th only reinforces my conviction. The speed with which a commercial company can alter and disrupt an entire academic discipline is frightening and should concern anyone involved in academia, not just mathematics. However, what has troubled me more is the response from established mathematicians. There are indeed a mix of reactions to October 6th, but seeing mathematicians greet this release of papers with excitement and joy is beyond confusing. Many celebrate the possibility that AI will relieve them of the burden of difficult calculations, technical lemmas, and other supposedly tedious aspects of mathematical research. Have they forgotten what it was like to become a mathematician in the first place?

1. The mathematics I came here for

I love technical work. I love spending days, weeks, months working on a lemma or an idea without success. I love failing at solving a problem, going on a walk to clear my head, sleeping on it and coming up with a new idea, then repeating this process. I love slowly realizing the shape of a solution and why it needed to be that way all along. More importantly, I love the intuition formed from the process of constant failure. These are not unpleasant obstacles that stand in the way of me proving a more interesting result. These are the reasons I wanted to become a mathematician. When mathematicians talk about being relieved from the burden of doing technical work (or mathematicians welcoming a future of no longer doing this work), I cannot help but wonder if they appreciate what this kind of labor represents to someone at the beginning of their career. I viewed this process as an opportunity to develop the skills necessary to become an independent researcher.

This struggle is not incidental to mathematical education. It is the principle way that education occurs. As AI has now become highly capable of performing this kind of work, I see shockingly little from the mathematics community about how this kind of crisis in education will be addressed.

2. Is Math 2.0 really the future you want?

Terence Tao has proposed a vision of a new way of doing mathematics, Math 2.0, where the emphasis moves away from solving open problems and toward a more holistic approach. His vision includes exposition, conceptual understanding, discovering new principles, developing mathematical frameworks, and synthesizing the enormous quantity of mathematical knowledge that increasingly capable AI systems can produce. Obviously these are valuable pursuits and practices that are already important to mathematical research. But I feel like I am asking the obvious question that has not been addressed: What if I do not want to spend my professional life doing these activities?

I did not go to graduate school to organize, interpret, and curate an increasingly vast collection of mathematical results produced by machines. I came here to learn techniques, develop my own understanding, and use these techniques to discover things I did not previously know. There is a clear distinction between understanding an argument and discovering one yourself. There is a clear distinction between curating a research direction and experience the process of producing it. I do not deny that Math 2.0 will accelerate progress in the field beyond anything I can even imagine right now. However, will these activities appeal to the same people who entered mathematics because they love independently solving difficult problems? A profession centered on interpretation, synthesization, and communication of mathematical knowledge will be worthwhile pursuit. But if independent discovery becomes a secondary activity, then it is not the profession I intended to join. Do we disregard the human fulfillment that comes from experience in exchange for knowledge and understanding produced by AI? Preserving mathematical knowledge and preserving mathematics as a fulfilling human intellectual pursuit clearly are not the same thing. As things are going, we will accomplish the former and disregard the latter. I am not claiming that one is inherently better than the other. But what I can say is that the experience of one is fundamentally different than the other.

3. Who will train the mathematicians of Math 2.0?

There is a problem with the proposed future of mathematics, and it is more concerning than my personal dissatisfaction. How exactly do you expect to train the next generation of mathematicians?

Established researchers possess something far more valuable than understanding of existing theorems. You possess the special sauce of intuition, judgment, taste, and an understanding of what questions are worth pursuing. These skills are precisely what makes you capable of using AI effectively. You know when an idea is promising and when it hints at something greater. You know how to formulate new research directions. Where did these skills come from? I doubt they were developed by reading successful proofs or listening to an explanation of an idea. Rather, they were probably developed through years of sustained thought with hard problems. The activities you now want to disregard are what made you who you are. These activities are what taught you to be a mathematician. AI systems will now do that work for you and from the perspective of someone who possesses years (possibly decades) of experience, this might be an attractive offer. Your students do not possess the special sauce. How do you expect them to develop it? How do we acquire good taste and intuition without technical understanding? How do we learn to recognize promising proof strategies if we have never failed at a proof? How do we learn to direct a research program if we have never experienced the difficulty of conducting one ourselves?

Tao himself has already expressed concern about intellectual deskilling and emphasized the importance of preserving productive struggle in education. More needs to happen to address this concern rather than just expressing excitement about new results being proved. Maybe the answer is to preserve independent problem solving in graduate training. To me, this does not appear to be a sufficient answer though. Why would I develop skills through independent technical work and suffering when I can just use AI to solve these problems for me? More importantly, do we really expect students to independently suffer, only to enter a profession in which the skills they suffered to develop are delegated to AI? Even disregarding this though, if the proposal really is independent suffering during graduate training, why should they choose to even undergo this training? Will they be allowed to spend years developing their own ideas when their peers can produce numerous sophisticated results using AI? Will hiring committees and funding agencies value intellectual development that comes from independent research, even when it produces far less tangible results? How do we even deem what a successful graduate student is when AI systems are becoming increasingly capable? If we say that going forward we value organization, interpretation, and curation, why would we assume AI will not be able to do this even a few months from now?

There might be satisfactory answers to these questions, but there has not been an account from any of you as to how this will be addressed. Math 2.0 appears to heavily depend on the accumulated expertise of mathematicians trained under Math 1.0. However, a sustainable profession cannot rely on expertise developed under a system it has abandoned.

4. What kind of students will your future attract?

Let’s suppose we devise an adequate training system for Math 2.0. What kind of people will this profession attract? I entered this field because I love solving hard problems and relish in the problem solving process. If the future consists of interpreting AI generated results, organizing knowledge, and directing automated research, why should I remain in academia? It is entirely possible that Math 2.0 attracts people who find these activities fulfilling, but will that generation possess the same motivations as the mathematicians who preceded them? Will Math 2.0 attract people who are inclined to develop a deep technical understanding of the field for which this future now depends? The training problem and recruitment problem are intertwined. Removing the value of technical problem solving may weaken the process by which we develop expertise and discourage the people who most enjoy developing this expertise. I find this deeply troubling. You seem enthusiastic at imagining what can be accomplished with powerful AI systems. You need an equivalent enthusiasm for understanding what kind of mathematicians you will be breeding under this new profession. You plan the future of mathematics from the perspective of someone who has already become a mathematician, but who are going to be the mathematicians of the future? Are you comfortable with them continuing your legacy?

5. A warning from someone who still loves mathematics

Mathematics is never going to be the same and I recognize that the way I did research and found fulfillment from it are no longer here. I am not demanding you refuse to use these technologies nor am I suggesting that you ignore the opportunities it provides. What I am demanding from you is to recognize that your enthusiasm to use this new technology does not necessarily reflect the aspirations of the people you are currently training. I recently heard a mathematician say that it is “paradoxical” to not want to study a field that is undergoing a scientific revolution in reference to October 6th. This mindset completely misses the point of why I do mathematics, and I suspect this is true for many other graduate students and even other established mathematicians. You may find this future exciting. Some of us find this future discouraging and troubling. You may find it exciting to see that answers to problems you deeply care about are being answered which then allows you to develop conceptual frameworks and interpret massive collections of AI generated results. Some of us entered mathematics because of the very human experience of suffering through a problem ourselves. You may believe that Math 2.0 will usher in an extraordinary period of progress and understanding. Maybe it will. But who will follow in your footsteps? How can you reproduce the expertise you have? How do you know we even want to participate in this new landscape?

I cannot speak for every graduate student, I can only share my feelings and I certainly would not presume to speak for my entire generation. But I can tell you that I entered graduate school fully intending to pursue a career as a research mathematician. The actions of October 6th have reversed this, and I’m probably not the only one. Before ending this letter, I want to emphasize something: I do not want to stop being a mathematician. My love for mathematics is eternal and I am deeply grateful to this field for not only developing my skills as a researcher, but developing me as a human. I do not believe that academics want to keep a space open for the kind of intellectual work that made me fall in love with this subject. I want to pursue discoveries myself. I want to struggle, to suffer, to grow.

I am not asking you to agree with my personal preferences. I am asking you to explain how your proposed future will train its successors, who it will attract, and why that is a future worth pursuing. These are questions that concern generational sustainability of the profession itself and cannot be ignored. I hope you begin treating these questions with the urgency they deserve. Because while you are discussing what your future will be, some of us have already decided that we no longer want to be a part of that future.

—A PhD student


Received 19 October 2026.

39 responses to “Who will become the new mathematicians of Math 2.0?”

  1. Vanja Zuliani Avatar
    Vanja Zuliani

    This post impressed me a lot, so I would like to respond to the author directly by sharing a personal experience. When I was in high school, I was planning to become a musician. I was a good violinist, probably not the best. I decided not to continue in music because I did not like the environment and because there is zero funding for music (now I am a postdoc in algebraic geometry). I regret my choice to leave music, even though I like math a lot and I am very happy with my current situation. But this experience taught me that you should never act on the basis of the society around you. If you don’t like the current behaviour of the mathematical community and you love math, you should remain in academia and fight for your idea of what mathematics should be; we need people like you 🙂

  2. Sirawit Pongnakintr Avatar
    Sirawit Pongnakintr

    I’m an MSc student. I don’t really agree with this post, but I wish to let my comment be heard: I find Math 2.0 attractive. Perhaps less attractive than Math 1.0, but surely better than leaving mathematics or doing other jobs.

    Maybe it’s because you’re smart, or technically competent in some respect, that you find problem solving in mathematics enjoyable. Well, sorry but I’m not that competent. I enjoy attempting to solve problems. I always failed. And I will forever fail (since by the time that I gain some competence, AI will have already outpowered me). That doesn’t change my love for mathematics. I wish to be a student of Math 2.0. I wish to train my intuitions and thoughts first, and when ready, go and orchestrate the machines. Calculators have been invented, but people still study how to add/subtract/multiply/divide integers. AI is here, and that doesn’t change the fact that I have to study for intuition and to struggle on my own for a bit (and after that, perhaps, listening to the solution provided by AI).

    I don’t have the grandiosity to dream that one day I’ll solve something new in mathematics, and I’m happy with such inability. I do math because it let me understand today what I did not understand yesterday, and that’s enough for me.

    Perhaps the next few months I’ll spend most of my time deslopping AI proofs. And then AI will be better than humans at deslopping its own proofs, and that’s fine! I’ll then spend my time after that understanding the deslopped proofs and to try to make a coherent decision (and discussion) with AI agents on which direction should we orchestrate the research next. After that, AI may be superhuman at orchestrating itself, and then my job is to just understand the proofs.

    I’m prepared for this future. I don’t see any point in giving up my dreams of becoming a mathematician, even if such “mathematician” is nothing more than someone understanding proofs from machines.

    1. Robert Anderson Avatar
      Robert Anderson

      So now we should change the name of arXiv to arXXXiv. You don’t get to do any of this, you just get to watch.

      1. Sirawit Pongnakintr Avatar
        Sirawit Pongnakintr

        Yes, and it’s fine if you don’t like it. I like it very much!

    2. Quintus Anonymous Avatar
      Quintus Anonymous

      The folks who do well in Math 1.0 will be those who are likely to do well in Math 2.0.

  3. Michael Poulshock Avatar
    Michael Poulshock

    You seem like exactly the kind of person the profession needs at this time and I hope that you decide to remain in it after all.

    1. just different Avatar
      just different

      You seem like exactly the kind of person the profession needs at this time

      Why? There are lots of smart, talented students who don’t feel this way. What’s special about the author?

      1. Anonymous Avatar
        Anonymous

        The author is not a moral vacuum and has an instinct for societal second order effects.

        1. just different Avatar
          just different

          Terence Tao, among many others, have been saying for months now that the kind of mathematician who will thrive in “Math 2.0” is not the same kind of mathematician who thrived in Math 1.0. The idea that the Math 2.0-adapted folks are “moral vacuums” or oblivious to consequences is straight-up bigotry.

          As for the author’s objections that we don’t yet have a template for how Math 2.0 mathematicians will be trained, well, of course we don’t yet. But a lot of people are thinking hard about it. It’s not like Math 1.0 training did such a great job, and the further you were from a very narrow demographic, the worse a job it did. IMO we’re overdue for a ground-up rethinking and restructuring.

  4. Aleksander Skenderi Avatar
    Aleksander Skenderi

    Dear PhD student,

    Firstly, I want to emphasize what Michael Poulshock commented above: you are just the type of person the profession needs! I really, really hope you choose to stay, since it seems that many of the most conscientious people are leaving for precisely the concerns you raise, and I believe it would be an immense pity if our community lost such wise, thoughtful individuals as yourself. For some context:

    I just finished my PhD and began my postdoc. I hope you read this comment and know the following: you are not alone! All (this is not an exaggeration!) the young people I have spoken to in real-life and senior mathematicians make just the same points as you! As you say, we truly understand that which we work on ourselves; a mathematician is one who DOES mathematics, actively thinking on their own accord. All the people I have spoken to share your sentiments.

    It is an unfortunate aspect of the internet that we hear repeatedly from a select few people, often because they have the biggest presence. While I of course haven’t done a census of the entire community, I deeply believe (based on my personal interactions) that there is a highly non-trivial fraction of the community who wish to preserve the traditions and manner of doing mathematics, which you so eloquently described. Thankfully for us younger people, many of these people are extremely well-known (I would like to emphasize that I believe Peter Scholze and Hugo Duminil-Copin have been doing a great service to us younger mathematicians, and do the mathematical community as a whole).

    So please, please, reconsider your decision! We do not know what the future holds for us, but if you love mathematics, then I would say not to give up academia! Not only do I imagine there will be a place for you, but, most importantly, I believe a person with your wisdom has so much to offer academia.

    My personal choice when everything of this sort started to happen was the following: I have a postdoc for 2 years. I have never used AI and never will. I enjoy doing mathematics the “old-fashioned way” (among other reasons for not using AI). If the community decides after 2 years that my level of mathematical work is not what they desire, and I am not hired by anyone, then so be it! But I think we who love the “old-fashioned mathematics” should in some sense try our best to “live on” in the community, so that we can hopefully preserve this tradition for the generations to come.

    I wish you all the best and thank you for your lovely post.

    1. Pierre Menard, Author of the Quixote Avatar
      Pierre Menard, Author of the Quixote

      Your last paragraph fits what happened to me today like a glove: the one-year extension of my postdoc, which my PI had verbally promised multiple times, has now been withdrawn for lack of funding. At the same time, they advertised a permanent position (different group, same department) tailor-made for the guy I share an office with, an avid AI user (I can literally hear the prompt-and-wait cadenza all day long). This is in a math-adjacent department, although my training, from bachelor’s to doctorate, has been in pure math.

      1. Aleksander Skenderi Avatar
        Aleksander Skenderi

        Dear Pierre,

        I’m sorry to hear that… all I can say is that I hope things work out for you, and that your hard work and passion is rewarded.

        All the best,

        Aleks

  5. tchow8 Avatar
    tchow8

    As someone who is nearer the end of his career than the beginning, let me say that I believe that practically every mathematician who has enjoyed some degree of “professional success” understands what you call the “very human experience of suffering through a problem” and the attendant joy. Nobody who has ever had that experience ever forgets it. It is why many, probably most, of those who are excited by the new AI-generated results have mixed feelings. There is a feeling of mourning something valuable that is at risk of being lost forever.

    But on the flip side, I will say that the reason I am not entirely pessimistic can be summed up in one sentence: It’s not all about me. Toward the end of her life, Julia Robinson said that her wish morphed from wanting to solve Hilbert’s 10th problem herself, to wanting to see the solution before she died, regardless of who solved the problem. I do not deny that there is joy in suffering through a problem and solving it myself. But I also claim that there is joy in contemplating an amazing piece of mathematics, even if I had nothing to do with it. People who are excited by AI-generated math are not taking delight in having to do less work to arrive at the solution; they are taking delight in understanding the powerful new ideas that are being presented to them.

    There is another sense in which it’s not all about me. As a mathematician, I have signed up to advance mathematical knowledge and understanding. It’s of course ideal if the optimal route to such advancement is also the route that optimizes my personal pleasure. But if the two goals are not perfectly aligned, then which do I prioritize? My choice would be to de-prioritize my personal pleasure. Now, certainly not every use of AI, or every AI-generated solution published by a for-profit AI company, advances mathematical knowledge and understanding. But my point is that if something does advance mathematical knowledge and understanding, then it makes no sense to me to reject it on the grounds that I was robbed of some personal pleasure.

    As for your direct question about what makes mathematics worth pursuing even if the predictions of an AI-dominated future come true, I would emphasize the intrinsic beauty of mathematics. That beauty, and the joy of its contemplation, will remain regardless of the mechanism by which new mathematical truths come to our attention.

    1. anonymous Avatar
      anonymous

      I have this somewhat unreasonable conviction that mathematics done well always provides personal satisfaction and pleasure (in one way or the other; see the content of the parentheses at the end of the next paragraph).

      I don’t think that “advancing mathematical knowledge” and “personal pleasure” are separable in practice (or “in real life”) in the way you suggest. How many people do you know who are advancing mathematical knowledge but are not getting any personal pleasure or satisfaction from it whatsoever (pleasure from e.g. social aspect, or any other aspect that comes with doing mathematics)? I’m guessing it’s a single digit at best. That’s what I mean by “separable in practice” above. On paper it sounds like those two are separable, but since almost no one ever made that separation, it doesn’t sound like a reasonable scenario in practice.

      Maybe such separation can come into existence if someone has to become a button pushing mathematician to feed their family, but since that sounds sci-fi at this point in time, I think it reinforces my point on the inseparability.

      best

      1. tchow8 Avatar
        tchow8

        I don’t claim that “advancing mathematical knowledge” and “personal pleasure” have correlation coefficient 0 (or worse, negative), but I also don’ t think they have correlation coefficient 1. My day job is a mixture of pure and applied mathematics. Certainly, to the extent that my job is applied mathematics, I will often find myself doing things in a way that I think gets the job done fastest, even if it’s not the most “fun.”

        But even in pure mathematics, if I find that I need a binomial coefficient identity, will I struggle for days to find a combinatorial proof, or will I drop it into Maple and get a WZ proof immediately? Usually, I’ll get the WZ proof, and then I might spend some time trying to find the combinatorial proof. The combinatorial proof often yields more insight, and certainly is more fun to look for. But at some point, if I can’t find a combinatorial proof, I’m going to move on, especially if I have bigger fish to fry. This tradeoff between optimizing fun and optimizing advancing knowledge has existed for at least as long as we have had algorithms for mechanizing some aspects of mathematical research.

        Admittedly, modern AI models threaten to drastically widen the gap to an extent that previous applications of computers to mathematics have not. But my point is just that the lack of perfect correlation between advancing knowledge and having fun is not entirely new.

        1. anonymous Avatar
          anonymous

          Point appreciated, thanks for the response; I see I interpreted your remark more strongly than you intended.

          Let me just say that if mathematicians get robbed of most of their current pleasures, that (imo) they are not the kind of people who would want to stay (or become 2.0) mathematicians just for the sake of advancing knowledge[1]. I see them rather pivoting to areas/professions where they can both advance knowledge (or be useful in other ways) and have fun.

          [1] you didn’t say this, I know, I’m just rounding up my previous reply, which was a reply to a stronger version of your remark

          1. tchow8 Avatar
            tchow8

            If Math 2.0 does become dominant, then I agree that it will probably attract slightly different kinds of people. But I’m not convinced that the difference will be as dramatic as some people make it out to be. After all, struggling to solve problems that we know have already been solved by someone else is something that we already spend a lot of time doing, whether it’s doing exercises or trying to understand someone else’s paper. That won’t go away, so if you enjoy struggling, there will still be plenty of opportunities to struggle in Math 2.0.

            What might become much scarcer in Math 2.0 is struggling to come up with a solution with your “bare hands,” and still being the first to arrive at the solution. Is being first vital to experiencing pleasure? For some people, it probably is, and maybe they will find Math 2.0 completely uninteresting. But I would expect that a lot of people who enjoy math as it exists now, and have the ability to be good at Math 2.0, will still enjoy math even if they never get to be the first one to solve something with their bare hands.

    2. Sirawit Pongnakintr Avatar
      Sirawit Pongnakintr

      I can’t help but feel that the author is addicted to the feeling of being a hero.

      I can’t resist the urge to criticize this sentiment of pseudo-heroism. It’s unhealthy, both for them (the author) and for the mathematics community to have this delusion of grandeur that “[I] will be the next person to prove this”.

      I’m a nobody, and I don’t have the rights to decide for other people, but I do think we should let people who want to leave leave, and let people who want to continue (e.g. me) continue. I’m more comfortable living in a world where everyone is (more or less) equally stupid and AI is smart–we can stop focusing on comparing our absurd “smartness” measure and we can stop chasing to be the first one to achieve a new contribution.

      It’s time we can actually do some math for real without these distractions (i.e. medals, fame, credentials, being the first to reach something, etc). It’s time to go and understand mathematics, and I prefer it this way.

      1. anonymous Avatar
        anonymous

        Is this a spam account? If no, commenting on author’s personality and motivations without assuming good faith that they are honest is distasteful

        1. Sirawit Pongnakintr Avatar
          Sirawit Pongnakintr

          No, this is not a spam account. Where did I not assume good faith? I’m sure the author is honest, and I’m also sure that I don’t like the author’s point of view.

      2. Michael Poulshock Avatar
        Michael Poulshock

        Sirawit, it’s not about heroism or ego. At least, I don’t get that feeling from the author of this post. It’s instead a recognition that understanding comes in part from the struggle of having to penetrate through non-understanding on your own, slowly, through repeated failure, when you want to give up and cry, without looking up the answer. Deep understanding requires seeing the many ways that something doesn’t work, before hopefully appreciating the few ways that it does work.

        In response to @just_different: That is why I hope this author doesn’t leave professional mathematics. There needs to be a critical mass of people who perpetuate such an ethic and preserve a safe space for the proliferation of human confusion.

        1. Sirawit Pongnakintr Avatar
          Sirawit Pongnakintr

          Alright. But then

          It’s instead a recognition that understanding comes in part from the struggle of having to penetrate through non-understanding on your own, slowly, through repeated failure, when you want to give up and cry, without looking up the answer.

          I don’t see how Math 2.0 would be unable to provide this experience. I can literally not look up the answer and then, whenever I cried for hours and the advisor sees that it’s appropriate, then look up the answer (perhaps by prompting an AI).

          For me, I see no point to grieve. There are literally more opportunities: you can choose to continue pushing through mathematical arguments, or you can choose to offload it to AI (and of course this process should be discussed with the advisors and collaborators). The only thing that’s gone is the feeling that you own the problem, and I argue that it’s good that this is gone.

      3. Anonymous Avatar
        Anonymous

        I don’t think at all that the author has a big ego. In general though, telling people to abandon their egos is a hallmark of cults where the cult leader suddenly becomes a multi-millionaire.

        Silicon Valley also uses this playbook.

        I mean, you can also watch movies all day and “understand” the movies instead of making one. AI = TV.

        1. Sirawit Pongnakintr Avatar
          Sirawit Pongnakintr

          I want to join a cult that leads me towards understanding of mathematics, rather than joining a bunch of anti-AI people who try to limit mathematics to only those contributed by humans. I don’t care who’s the millionaire. Silicon Valley or not. Show me the proofs. Show me the theory. Lead me towards understanding. I ask only for this.

          And if I’m convinced that Silicon Valley perform a better job than mathematicians, I’ll leave the human mathematics community and go study with an AI advisor.

          1. j Avatar
            j

            Why interact with people at all then? If you just want to do math and don’t care about the community aspect why are you here? Just read a textbook or something?

            1. Sirawit Pongnakintr Avatar
              Sirawit Pongnakintr

              I’m trying to convince the community to teach me (and supervise me) a PhD. If they don’t, then I go home and read the textbooks (with AI advisors).

              More specifically, I’m trying to convince the community that people like me (i.e. does not expect to give a new contribution in this age of AI, wishes to understand more mathematics with the propelled power from AI, and does not care about money, fame, or result) exists and urge the community to not abandon people like myself.

              If it doesn’t work then I leave. That’s it.

            2. anon Avatar
              anon

              I don’t think we should respond to the OP in good faith.

          2. anonymous Avatar
            anonymous

            i can’t reply to your reply under j’s reply, so i’ll reply here.

            you don’t want to be abandoned by the community you are abandoning on each comment on this site? i even remember that you declared yourself an enemy of the community. idk seems to me like you are looking for a different kind of sponsor at this point

            1. Sirawit Pongnakintr Avatar
              Sirawit Pongnakintr

              I’ve never abandoned anyone. I’m inviting everyone towards Math 2.0. They may join or not. I’m not the one in control.

              But yes, I do stand strongly against the opinion to stall Math 2.0 and try to cling onto Math 1.0. If this is an “abandonment” then so be it.

              I’m looking for people who will lead me towards the enlightenment in Math 2.0. I’m annoyed by the status of the community that tries to cope and deny this change. That’s it.

            2. anon Avatar
              anon

              I am not sure we should engage in good faith with the OP of this comment.

  6. Peter Scholze Avatar
    Peter Scholze

    This is a wonderful essay, and I completely agree with it. As others said in the comments, please reconsider; in the end the future of the discipline will be decided by who will be a part of it. Many share the very same concerns — they are just not as vocal online. Without having answers to the important questions you raise, I want to disagree with just one point. You write “I do not believe that academics want to keep a space open for the kind of intellectual work that made me fall in love with this subject.”: with a universal quantifier, this is false, I definitely do, and I think the “Association for Human Mathematics” does, too, and there are many more. Also see the AI policy of the MPI guest program for a very small step in this direction.

    I am convinced that it would be stupid if the mathematical community abandons their millenia-old constitution all at the same. Importantly, the thing that made a PhD in mathematics valuable, beyond academia, was always what you point out so wonderfully (“I love technical work. […] This struggle is not incidental to mathematical education. It is the principle way that education occurs.”). I probably disagree with many essays here, but I simply do not understand how we intend to nurture such things in PhD students when they rely on AI in their studies.

    1. Peter Scholze Avatar
      Peter Scholze

      Typo: In the first sentence of the second paragraph, “all at the same” should read “all at the same time”.

  7. Jairo Bochi Avatar

    Absolutely brilliant! I would only emphasize the observation that Math 2.0 may be very short-lived — a point which the author makes near the end of Section 3.

    1. just different Avatar
      just different

      How long-lived it is depends on the decisions we make now about what qualities make a good mathematician. Right now we’re at the start of a transitional period, so we have no choice but to leverage Math 1.0. But it doesn’t follow that we necessarily fall off a cliff once that runs out.

      1. Jairo Bochi Avatar

        Yes, I didn’t express myself clearly, I do agree with you. I think that there will be no meaningful place for humans in a machine-dominated future. So the “2.0 Mathematicians” will be nothing but passive observers (at most). Therefore, if we want to preserve human understanding, creativity, and pleasure in doing math, the only option is to leverage Math 1.0.

        1. just different Avatar
          just different

          No, we don’t agree at all. Right now Math 1.0 is all we have, but it doesn’t need to be the only approach, and being passive observers is certainly not the only alternative.

  8. anonymous Avatar
    anonymous

    I agree with probably all of your points and the general sentiment, but I think some of the questions you pose have obvious answers, and you actually answered them yourself before asking them. For example

    >Why would I develop skills through independent technical work and suffering when I can just use AI to solve these problems for me? More importantly, do we really expect students to independently suffer, only to enter a profession in which the skills they suffered to develop are delegated to AI?

    Answer (your words): These activities are what taught you to be a mathematician.

    >Even disregarding this though, if the proposal really is independent suffering during graduate training, why should they choose to even undergo this training?

    Answer: Because they want to do some sort of math 2.0, and that can be done only if you go through the training (you elaborate on this in the m2.0 section)

    >Will they be allowed to spend years developing their own ideas when their peers can produce numerous sophisticated results using AI?

    Answer: Your ideas will be better if you go through the training, the peers who focus on the results will not have good ideas and they will always be at a disadvantage (with or without ai) compared to their peers who have undertaken the training

    >Will hiring committees and funding agencies value intellectual development that comes from independent research, even when it produces far less tangible results? How do we even deem what a successful graduate student is when AI systems are becoming increasingly capable?

    Answer: I think many conversations are taking place that should answer these questions, it takes time to come up with good solutions

    >If we say that going forward we value organization, interpretation, and curation, why would we assume AI will not be able to do this even a few months from now?

    Answer: I agree that this is a bad strategy, but even if that happens I think there’s stuff to do (this is similar enough to the oracle thought experiment, about which many have written)

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    Sash

    I completely agree, I didn’t join maths to become an art critic and curator, if that’s what the institutional mathematics has decided to become then it really is just time to leave and pursue maths as a hobby outside of your much higher paid job.

    The silver lining to this move towards a hobby is that they might further renew the focus towards simplicity, since hobbyists don’t have all the time in the world to drown in abstractions. To me maths has been the most beautiful when a few small set of simple ideas simplify large swathes of problems we found interesting. Building massive towers of abstraction while hard and interesting in its own right, is not what I find the most aesthetic in maths, and I would warn people that AI seems much better at handling complexity than humans.

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    M

    I think, more than ever, math needs people who come to give and not to take. If you base your decision on what an environment or certain people “give you”, then likely its the right one. I am not sure if you will be able to find any meaningful path as long as you think the profession you choose owes you something, but I may be wrong of course.

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