It’s a great time to be an amateur mathematician

Nihar Gargava, Postdoctoral researcher at Université Paris-Saclay

PS: I used AI for speech-to-text, proofreading, and locating references. I thank Dinesh Thakur for comments on an earlier draft.

In early August, I was at TIFR Mumbai for an “AI for Math” conference1. This is one of many such events happening in mathematics departments all over the world in recent times. Among the speakers was Dinesh Thakur. In his talk, he described how he had received an email from an auto mechanic in France about a conjecture attributed to him2. The email came with a disproof of this conjecture about primes over function fields that he had written about in 2015. What was surreal about this incident was that the person sending this counterexample did not even know what finite fields are! He had just asked Claude (Opus 4.8) to find a “precisely stated conjecture about polynomials with some examples worked out and something that can be checked by computations”, quoting Dinesh. Dinesh told us that eventually the author did learn more about the problem via more prompting. The preprint is currently on arXiv3.

The reaction from the audience was quite dramatic. There was laughter in the room, but also shock and disbelief. Two reactions that I recall were “what does it mean to have any expertise anymore?” and “it’s a great time to be an amateur mathematician”. By mid-October, these stories are becoming more common, and I expect that trend to continue. I would like to present my thoughts about this.

Mathematics is full of delightful stories of outsiders making an impact. The most famous is that of Ramanujan, whose letters to Hardy still bring pleasure to the mathematics community even after repeated readings. It seems to me that every professional mathematician at one point in their career must have gotten an email from a Ramanujan-wannabe. Most of these are bogus emails and we don’t bother replying to them. But now these emails are getting smarter and more intricate because of AI. Firstly, a crackpot with a crazy claim can now instead run his ideas through a language model and spare a mathematician a few bytes of mailbox space. Secondly, a mathematician can receive an interesting piece of mathematics tailor-made to appeal to their taste.

I recently had my Ramanujan-Hardy moment myself when Michael Simkin, who lives in Georgia (the country), sent me a new lower bound on sphere packings in high dimensions. The model’s write-up was an astonishing mess that would be difficult to read for any poor soul having to go through it, perhaps more so for Michael, who is mostly an outsider to research mathematics. He asked AI to recommend a mathematician who could verify the result, and it gave him my name.

When Michael reached out to me, I did get interested. At first, I thought he was Michael Simkin, the lecturer at MIT. But after a few emails I realized this was someone else. The output from the model had nice tricks to make progress on some of the ideas that I had long abandoned. So I asked Michael if he would like to coauthor this with me. I also (with his permission) added a PhD student to this project—Matthias Gröbner (because who owns AI-generated results?). The preprint is now out on arXiv4.

I wanted to understand what had drawn Michael to this problem, so we talked about it. Michael told me that he had been interested in mathematics since high school. He grew up in Tel Aviv and had even won an IMO bronze medal in his teenage years5. Mathematics has kept him going in life, even though his parents could not afford university education for him. Michael is now known for interesting life form constructions in Conway’s Game of Life6. For the past few years, he had been living as a digital nomad all over the world, finally settling in Georgia. These days he works part-time for a brain imaging center. He is proud of his AI-prompting skills and wants to keep helping mathematicians.

I asked Michael what he thought about expertise in mathematics and whether he felt that he could replace mathematicians with his AI chats. He had an answer that I found pretty nice. Coming from a software engineering background, he knows the feeling of AI being able to do the job better than humans. But he adds “as a programmer, I still have skills that are important but I cannot pinpoint what they are”. I guess this is quite close to what mathematicians feel.

The post-AI age could be a good time for mathematicians to reach out to people like Michael. It could be of mutual benefit. Not only do people outside want to understand what the mathematics produced by the models is saying, but we might also need them to understand how the public sees and interacts with mathematics. Human mathematicians should exist to talk about mathematics to humans, and the humans are finally reaching out in our mailboxes. They are finally speaking our language and learning about our work at their own pace. I think we should engage with at least some of them as a kind of individual outreach. AI might be taking away some of the fun parts of our jobs, but there might be new opportunities in our mailboxes.

The following are my thoughts as of now, and I expect to keep updating them as interactions between professional and hobbyist mathematicians become more common in the AI era.

Advice to hobbyist mathematicians

It might look as though mathematicians spend most of their time going through the gory details of individual lemmas and propositions in papers. In practice, however, mathematicians often focus on the few parts of a paper that are genuinely novel or interesting, without checking every detail once they are convinced that the result should be true. Much of the communication of mathematical ideas also happens through conversations between mathematicians, who have developed a shared language for talking about what matters in a proof. My advice to hobbyist mathematicians is to be patient with and respectful of this process. Try to understand how mathematicians communicate with each other, and learn to talk about your own ideas in that language. Being imperfect is okay, but trying will earn you a lot of respect.

Advice to professional mathematicians

The goals of hobbyist mathematicians might sometimes seem outrageous or too far removed from those of a professional researcher. They might be especially keen to be the first to prove a theorem, improve a bound, or put a result into the world just to have their name on it. But these could be respectable ambitions and, pre-AI, were (often tacitly) shared by many professional mathematicians. Even when we do not share precisely the post-AI goals of human understanding, there is still an opportunity for collaboration between hobbyists and professionals. Professional mathematicians should be mindful of their own priorities while respecting hobbyists’ expectations.

Addendum: Michael’s new homepage is 7

  1. Tata Institute of Fundamental Research. AI for Math workshop programme. (2026). ↩︎
  2. D. S. Thakur. Fermat-Wilson supercongruences, arithmetic derivatives and strange factorizations. arXiv:2211.01076 (2022). ↩︎
  3. D. Niedbala Giraudin. A counterexample to a conjecture of Thakur on Carlitz-Wieferich primes. arXiv:2607.15305 (2026). ↩︎
  4. N. Gargava, M. Gröbner, & M. Simkin. A cyclotomic gluing construction for lattice sphere packings. arXiv:2610.12619 (2026). ↩︎
  5. International Mathematical Olympiad. Individual results – Israel. ↩︎
  6. LifeWiki contributors. Michael Simkin. ↩︎
  7. M. Simkin. Personal homepage. ↩︎

Received 18 October 2026.

16 responses to “It’s a great time to be an amateur mathematician”

  1. Joseph Knecht (Anonymous postdoc) Avatar
    Joseph Knecht (Anonymous postdoc)

    Could you clarify what you view as a sustainable model for such collaborations with hobbyists?

    I agree that it would be nice if more people could enjoy mathematics. Some hold that mathematics is an art. If so, however, it is a rather peculiar art insofar that only a very small percentage of the population is able to appreciate it in any non-superficial way. It would be lovely if we can widen this circle.

    From a practical standpoint, however, we are time-constrained. If I have to decide whether I spend my time on giving feedback or better teaching to students at my university or an hobbyist, then the choice seems obvious to me. The students have gone through the basic educational

    1. Joseph Knecht (Anonymous postdoc) Avatar
      Joseph Knecht (Anonymous postdoc)

      [Accidentally hit post to soon; continued]

      … the basic educational background that is required to comply with the standards of our community. Moreover, the teaching of students is a direct source of funding of the academic system.

      If we want to include hobbyists at any relevant scale, which does sound nice, then there are economic realities that would have to be figured out to make this sustainable.

  2. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    “Coming from a software engineering background, he knows the feeling of AI being able to do the job better than humans.”

    Really? Has Michael Simkin claimed this himself? I cannot find any pre-AI open source output from him.

    AI plagiarizes the vast body of stolen open source software and documentation, with usually bland, chaotic code. No software has improved in any way since 2023 and websites as well as blogs got worse. The quote above is the marketing opinion.

    It is really the same as saying that “git clone” on an existing software project does the job better and faster than an amateur.

    1. mhairer Avatar

      It’s a little bit more nuanced than that. I surprisingly do actually have quite a bit of experience writing consumer-facing software and it used to be the case that maybe 30% of the time was spent on implementing new features, 20% on doing boring maintenance tasks like refactoring code, updating the website or manual, localisation of the GUI, etc. The remaining 50% were mostly bug fixing, and the only reason it wasn’t even more was that I would in many cases just give up on hunting down the cause of an obscure crash report. Using AI, these 70% have shrunk dramatically and I am able to track down vastly more bugs than before because AI is infinitely better than humans at reading multi-threaded code (at least humans like me who haven’t spent their whole career doing just that).

      Regarding ‘new’ code (those 30%), I totally agree that AI actually isn’t terribly useful, although it is very good at knocking together quick proofs of concept on how to do something. The code it produces tends to be quite bloated (unless you specifically direct it towards all the helper code you’ve already spent time writing and debugging) and buggy (unless you specifically list all the edge cases you can think of or use it to implement something extremely narrow) and it pretty quickly becomes more efficient and safer to write it yourself, at least when it’s part of a code base that you already know very well.

      Regarding the point that ‘software hasn’t improved since 2023’, I would argue that it hasn’t really improved all that much since 2010 either, so that’s mostly independent of AI. At this point, most large(ish) software projects addressing standard use cases are very mature and people only very rarely dream up new dramatic (and useful) features. As a result many of them have been in the ‘enshittification’ phase of their lives for a while now.

      Regarding webpages you are right that there are now a huge number of websites that all look completely isomorphic. I am personally guilty as charged… The point there is that it is now possible for many people to produce OK-looking and perfectly functional websites with relatively little effort. I don’t think that the website we’re using right now could exist without AI and one reason the “misalignment” declaration got so much traction was that I could use AI to cobble together a website allowing anyone to endorse it within a few hours (and then Johannes Schmitt kindly spent quite a bit more time making it more robust and ironing out edge cases, also with the help of AI).

  3. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    One question: does your coauthor fully understood the contents of the paper?
    – If so, I have no problem with such a collaboration, independent of whether he’s an amateur or not.
    – If not, I see a future where rich people / internals of high techs can buy a theorem, which happened several times in the history.

  4. Sal Avatar
    Sal

    Advice to hobbyist or amateurs, learn the mathematics and do not blindly trust AI.

    To those that are relying heavily on AI, stop emailing mathematicians at all stages (PhD student, postdoc,…,tenured professor) to ask them to check an AI-generated document.

  5. . Avatar
    .

    The opening story nearly as ridiculous as the entire post. Someone who does not know what finite fields are and simply gets a proof involving those fields out of Claude and then thinks he has contributed anything is not a hobbyist mathematician. The contribution is by Claude (or those Claude stole from), not by that person. I read this in the news recently several times, that someone who has no idea about math _at all_ solved a famous conjecture (with AI) but the reality is, the person just asked AI to solve a famous conjecture, and thats about it.

    A hobbyist mathematician is someone who actually engages with math and studies certain topics, as a hobby instead of as a job, and as a result understands. Its like when I was in school, I was doing coding as a hobby, for many months (and in fact years) I read books about c++ and I programmed some little games, and I understood quite a bit about computer architecture and about how the programming language works, how the operating system works, how the hardware works and so on. Nowadays, say I were again in that age and just prompt Claude to generate me a small computer game, then I am not a hobby coder and I should feel ashamed if I called myself that. Claude wrote the entire code, I didn’t do anything, and I did not deeply understand anything, there is just void. And even if I prompted a bit further to get some keywords lying on the surface to be able to talk a bit with others about “my” game, I am still not a hobby coder.

    Being a hobby <insert profession> is not getting that much easier just because of new technology. The speed our brain can learn anything did not change, and learning necessarily involves a lot of time investment, setbacks, frustration, and so on, if an llm takes these parts away then the person using it simply is a hobby llm user.

    1. Joseph Knecht (Anonymous postdoc) Avatar
      Joseph Knecht (Anonymous postdoc)

      My charitable interpretation of the post is that it proposes that LLMs might serve as a gateway that can get people on a path that leads them to learn mathematics more meaningfully, and that it would be a type of outreach to help them in this direction:

      “Dinesh told us that eventually the author did learn more about the problem via more prompting.”

      “They are finally speaking our language and learning about our work at their own pace. I think we should engage with at least some of them as a kind of individual outreach.”

      From this perspective, the initial prompted result is similar to toy problems that one implements while getting started with programming. It provides the initial energy that motivates one to learn more.

      If we can direct these people’s energy so that they truly learn mathematics and to respect our community norms, then maybe some of them could be converted from mere prompters to hobbyist mathematicians? (As mentioned in a previous comment, I do wonder how one would do this systemically in a sustainable way.)

  6. Pierre Menard, Author of the Quixote Avatar
    Pierre Menard, Author of the Quixote

    Mathematics is full of delightful stories of outsiders making an impact

    OK, where are these stories? Bringing up Ramanujan is nearly as stale as comparing math to chess. Enough with that, please. The vast majority of serious human-generated mathematics of the past 100 years has been produced by mathematicians (with specific training). I have been lurking and actively participating in (non-English-speaking) math forums since 2010, and my experience is that all cranks fail to understand basic high-school algebra and are extremely arrogant. A crank with a thermobaric ballistic missile remains a crank.

    I hope this is not some 4D mental gymnastics where an established mathematician wants to use AI but does not want to get their hands dirty…

  7. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    It’s never been a better time to be a larper. On the learning aspect, maybe? I am optimistic. But it’s the dual edged sword, especially in the present and if you’re not responsible.

  8. .. Avatar
    ..

    I do like that this kind of acts like an initiation to the public of research mathematics and they could appreciate mathematical beauty. However I am worried researchers who are actively working on these problems with zero or no AI-assistance can get scooped or even worse buckmastered if they use AI.

  9. elegantc7df67a5d5 Avatar
    elegantc7df67a5d5

    Has the identity of this “auto mechanic in France” been verified? This is exactly the kind of fake promotion story that OpenAI or Anthropic would put out when it was really one of their mathematicians who prompted.

  10. Sash Avatar
    Sash

    lol, if Joe prompts “ChatGPT make me a melody in style of Bach”, is he a musician now or still just a prompter?

    Mathematics is the act of doing maths, thinking hard about abstract structures with your own mind. You don’t need to do anything novel to do “mathematics”, if you come up with a solution using your own creativity to a solved problem, that is doing maths in my book, much more than prompting “ChatGPT solve this problem for me”.

  11. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    The kind of hobbyists that will threaten the profession the most are the former insiders: IMO medalists, math PhDs who go to industry, engineering/economics academics who have taken a huge dose of graduate level math courses. They know the language but have zero stakes in the establishment, they don’t need math journal publication for a living. They can have a blast dumping results on Arxiv or even their social media account.

    1. Anonymous Avatar
      Anonymous

      Then work to change the establishment, such that publish or perish becomes a faint whisper of the past. Perhaps your work is now more than of an educator than that of an artist or mystic. So be it. But mathematics does not belong to anyone, and certainly not only to those of us lucky enough to have a faculty position. (To be clear, I am not arguing in favor of slop dumps, which are bad for everyone. But I’ve had enough of the gatekeeping, and the implication that the only relevant stakes are financial interests of existing professional mathematicians.)

  12. Anon Avatar
    Anon

    If anyone doubts that mathematics is a social discipline, Proofs and Prompts is a grease trap for arguments that reassign proof pedigree while leaving mathematical truth invariant.

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